Lucid Dreaming

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Join this group if you wish to explore Lucid Dreaming. We will be using Stephen LaBerge Ph.D.'s Lucid Dreaming - A Concise Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and Your Life as our manual. Caution, self knowledge and stability are prerequisite.

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Latest Activity: Oct 14

Hello Dreamers!

How exciting it is that we will all be doing this together!
I am just going to wait a few more days to see if anyone else wants to join and then we will begin.

I will be providing instruction on an ongoing basis, but feel free to move at your own pace - this it not a contest : )

In the meantime, here is your first 2 tasks...
TASK ONE: EVERY TIME you walk through a door - tap it - and ask yourself - am I awake? ( Thanks Lon!)

TASK TWO: Complete the quick survey below:

More to come soon!!!

p.s. Spread the word to those you think might lke to join in.

A WORD OF CAUTION
The overwhelming majority of lucid dreams are positive, rewarding experiences. Moreover, lucidity in unpleasant dreams or nightmares can transform habitual fear into conscious courage. The simple state of lucidity is frequently enough to elevate the mood of a dreamer in a nightmare. In a study of the effect of lucid dreams on mood, college students reported that realizing they were dreaming in a nightmare helped them feel better about 60 percent of the time. Lucidity was seven times more likely to make nightmares better than worse.

A parallel concern is that dying in a dream can cause death in reality. If this were true, how would we know? Anyone who died from a dream could not tell us about its content. Many people, after awakening alive, report having died in their dreams with no ill effect. Dreams of death can actually be insightful experiences about life, rebirth, and transcendence.

Some people believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind and should not be consciously altered. Modern research on dreaming, discussed further in chapter 5 of EWLD, suggests that dreams are not messages, but models of the world. While awake, sensory and perceptual information governs our model. While dreaming, our bodies are paralyzed and our brain builds a world model based on a secondary source; namely, our assumptions, motivations, and expectations. These biases are difficult to identify while awake, so a world based entirely on such biases, the world of dreams, can help us to recognize them. Thus, dreams are not messages, but are more like clues into the inner workings of our minds. The conscious and critical awareness that accompanies lucid dreams allows dreamers to thoughtfully interpret their dreams while they happen.

Finally, some people worry that lucid dreams are so exciting and pleasurable that they will become addicted and "sleep their life away." There is a biological obstacle to living in lucid dreams: we have a limited amount of REM sleep. More importantly, lucid dreams can be inspirations for how to act and improve in reality. Your behavior strongly influences your experience in both worlds. Lucid dreams can be signposts for how you can make your waking reality more exciting and enjoyable.
http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html#harmful
Blessings to you!

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A little survey before we start.. 27 Replies

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Comment by leon daniel mehmet on October 13, 2009 at 7:48pm: falling aspleep last night i was watching my thoughts flying throught my head as i watched them ride away as if a horse into the sunset then i stoped , right on the edge of a cliff where i just let my self fall falling to my death letting go .two feet off the groung i froze myself in mid air and watched i was nolonger myself bliss

Comment by Simon Davies on May 4, 2009 at 8:27pm: Strange, looking at this page just reminded me of my dream last night, where I was aware that I was dreaming for what seemed like about five seconds, but rather than a "lucid dream" it was more like dreaming within a dream, or falling asleep within a dream, and for those five seconds I knew I was dreaming. I had forgotten about this until now so I'll have to go off and think about it I think :D

Comment by Daniel L on May 2, 2009 at 12:11am: Am I Dreaming ? This was actually part of an initaition exercise I had. Even right this second the question brings up a strange feeling.

Comment by George Urbaniak on May 1, 2009 at 10:46pm: “Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake" Henry David Thoreau

What a wonderful thought. And yes, it is the truest life . . .

George

Comment by Vanese Mc Neill on May 1, 2009 at 3:21am: Hello George
Let me tell you why I am learning / teaching this....
I think / have been told that Lucid Dreaming is very much like the death experience, and so that having these skills can only be inevitably useful : )

B) As you address, Lucid dreaming is also very much a kin to the experience of existing in the dimension beyond space time, which could be the place the Mayans are referring to after 2012 - "the end of time" or the 5th dimension that the Hathors and other ascended races explain we are birthing into as we speak.

So I think your idea of a doorway is very astute - I am about to send out a lesson that includes this quote - but damn it - it is too good to wait - and I feel like it gets close : )

“Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake" Henry David Thoreau

Comment by George Urbaniak on May 1, 2009 at 1:23am: I would be interested in other members' take on this.

My concept is that dreaming is a doorway -- which is why lucid dreaming is important -- it is a doorway to all the worlds, dimensions, universes, etc., that we simultaneously inhabit. This is based upon my belief that there is truly no time or space. All is happening at once. It is merely that in order to experience a physical existence we must experience it sequentially; therefore everything we contact (or have created) in this realm is sequential in some way, whether it be time, space, individuals, etc. We are unable to experience our true consciousness simply because it would overwhelm our physical perceptive necessities.

Dreaming is another story altogether. In dreams we can experience ourselves in our creative worlds, in our imaginative worlds, in our alternative worlds; we can experience events as we might have experienced them had we made decisions differently because we actually do experience all possible ways we may decide anything at the same time. It is only that we are focusing on this particular experience and have chosen to consciously follow this one rather than another one even though we are actually experiencing both. Dreams give us the door to peer into these alternative experiences, which is why dreams are sometimes so incredibly unusual and apparently irrational.

In this way, dreams can tell us much about ourselves, not only of this level of experience, but of our greater experience as well. Lucid dreaming is part of this exploration, and, as the first task given us by Vanese tries to demonstrate, is a part of finding out that perhaps all is just a dream, a dream of reality.

Ave, Hail and Farewell,
The Wayfarer.

Comment by Vanese Mc Neill on May 1, 2009 at 12:26am: Did you know that the average person eats about 8 spiders in their sleep every year?

Comment by Vanese Mc Neill on May 1, 2009 at 12:24am: Sleep Facts

1. The record for the longest period without sleep is 18 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes during a rocking chair marathon. The record holder reported hallucinations, paranoia, blurred vision, slurred speech and memory and concentration lapses.

2. It’s impossible to tell if someone is really awake without close medical supervision. People can take cat naps with their eyes open without even being aware of it.

3. Anything less than five minutes to fall asleep at night means you’re sleep deprived. The ideal is between 10 and 15 minutes, meaning you’re still tired enough to sleep deeply, but not so exhausted you feel sleepy by day.

4. Dreams, once thought to occur only during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, also occur (but to a lesser extent) in non-REM sleep phases. It’s possible there may not be a single moment of our sleep when we are actually dreamless.

5. REM dreams are characterised by bizarre plots, but non-REM dreams are repetitive and thought-like, with little imagery - obsessively returning to a suspicion you left your mobile phone somewhere, for example.
6. Certain types of eye movements during REM sleep correspond to specific movements in dreams, suggesting at least part of the dreaming process is analagous to watching a film

7. Elephants sleep standing up during non-REM sleep, but lie down for REM sleep.

8. Some scientists believe we dream to fix experiences in long-term memory, that is, we dream about things worth remembering. Others think we dream about things worth forgetting - to eliminate overlapping memories that would otherwise clog up our brains.

9. Dreams may not serve any purpose at all but be merely a meaningless byproduct of two evolutionary adaptations - sleep and consciousness.

10. Scientists have not been able to explain a 1998 study showing a bright light shone on the backs of human knees can reset the brain’s sleep-wake clock.

Comment by Ramon on April 27, 2009 at 9:46pm: I have a problem maybe someone can help me during lucid dreaming and obe I have a dark entity that holds me and paralyze me I can get loose but how to get rid off for good

Comment by Cara A. Mulheron on April 27, 2009 at 7:22pm: How vital is it that I purchase the suggested book by Stephen LaBerge? I have not yet found a suitable copy in my area & don't relish paying for shipping....